MAHA needs to make themselves useful and get these things outlawed federally, until then it matters not if a few states outlaw them. The spraying travels through the air and knows no borders.
The only way to stop contrails is to change the laws of physics, or stop planes powered by fuel containing hydrogen atoms from flying at high altitude.
How does that explain the aluminum, barium, nano-particles, etc. being dropped on us? And that is chemtrails not contrails, aka geoengineering. Blaming "contrails" for what is in the air is a red herring.
What “aluminum, barium and nano-particles”? So many people parrot those claims but there is absolutely no evidence for any such thing. All we ever see is lab tests of soil and rainwater showing perfectly normal and minuscule quantities of natural minerals.
Where are the samples directly from a supposed “chemtrail”.
I’ll type this slowly in case it is not clear: “chemtrails” are simply a misidentification of persistent jet contrails. I will debate anyone who claims this is not the case.
Can you please explain why this “persistent contrail” phenomenon has been intensifying dramatically in the past couple of years?
Why do we see “persistent contrails “ crisscrossing our skies every single day, formed by high flying jets that are not going anywhere. Just leisurely “painting our sky from blue to Aluminum grey?
Surely the law of physics has not changed during this period of time.
Dane Wigington and others have run lab tests on soil and water and emissions that contained the exact things shown in their geoengineering patents. He has cited these things in his reports and it is obvious the skies are not normal anymore, one would have to be blind not to see it. Here is his latest video confirming what I have stated here.
Appreciate the set of references, most seldom seen elsewhere. Thanks for sharing them.
Quote: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
- Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment.
By this, it is meant that the globalist technocrats will control essentially everything and live lavishly, while everyone el se remaining will be equally impoverished.
Quote: “The data doesn’t matter. We’re not basing our recommendations on the data. We’re basing them on the climate models”.
- Prof. Chris Folland, Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research.
'THE MAP IS NOT THE TERRITORY' - and the 'climate model' is not reality.
Computer models rely on the data fed to them. 'Garbage in - garbage out.'
An example of the 'garbage' being plugged into computer climate models includes the weather data stations near buildings, pavement etc that create 'heat islands', and the made-up temperature 'data' from hundreds of 'ghost' weather data collection stations:
Fly ash from burning coal injected high into the atmosphere is damaging - as is the aluminum and various chemical compounds being sprayed into our air. But CO2 in the air is essential for Life on Earth.
One tipoff:
Cows (why do they single out cows, and leave out heifers, calves, bulls and steers?) are supposedly harming the planet - but the carbon emitted by crickets isn't, because the carbon emitted by masses of insects raised in artificial settings is somehow "natural" while carbon emitted by cattle grazing on pastures, or eating harvested pasture along with some seeds, is somehow "unnatural". ???
The problem with their argument is that this paper is personal, not factual.
They literally said this:
"One further observation is necessary: If chemtrail-producing particulates are being added to aircraft fuel, as alleged above, why are chemtrails not being observed during takeoffs and landings? The answer appears to be related to atmospheric optical depth or thickness."
Because they are contrails, and contrails don't form below 20,000 feet!
This proves that the nuclear physicist knows nothing about atmospheric science or cloud formation.
Steady on Jim. What happened to "remember, attack ideas, not people."? They seem to be attacking your ideas in that paper, not you personally. "Like any other expert’s
allegations, the veracity of Lee’s statements should be subject to question, and, if found
deficient, should be corrected." You make some good points but this undermined by such abusive language.
After reading the report, you are saying the chemical applications do not exist?
Their questioning of your statements is appropriate, as in science there is no consensus - Their questions, with the physically viable testing poses a relevant question - The news fan engines literally produce little atmospheric heat gathering
processes, unlike WW2 bombers for example.
The question would seem to be, are you a proponent of arial weather manipulation?
Having been an airline pilot for 33 years, I can verify that commercial jets can be directed to fly at altitudes that will either leave contrails, or not. Depending on the time of day, doing this can either result in surface warming or cooling. At present, this specific control of commercial airliners is not being done, so the effects we get on the surface are completely random, but are there. There are no switches in the cockpit to turn contrails on or off. The appearance of them turning on or off is due to the condition of the air masses they fly through. Directing commercial jet aircraft to fly at specific altitudes or over specific geographical areas will have huge impacts on costs for the airlines, so there will be significant pushbacks. It is also possible to inject hygroscopic chemicals behind jet aircraft to prohibit contrail formation, but now we’re injecting harmful chemicals with environmental and physiological impacts that could be worse than random weather modification. https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/look-up-in-the-sky?utm_source=publication-search
The planes I see aren’t commercial airliners, they are drone looking, likely military things. They look white from the ground, and blend into the skies, except for the deliberate trail of crap sprayed behind them. They all look the same, are difficult to spot on the days where hundreds of them are not criss crossing the skies at the same time, and are made to NOT be noticed. Their patterns are predictable and spraying happens heavily right before “severe weather changes”. They fly at altitudes that commercial airliners used to fly, but now, they fly lower (dangerously so) to accommodate these other things. If you watch them long enough (and I have), you’ll know damn well that the only reason these military ghost things are in the skies is to spread poison.
The “contrails” narrative isn’t going to work. There is too much actual data now.
Why has nobody ever got a photo of one of these mystery planes, when plane spotters regularly take photos detailed enough to read the tail numbers of planes at 35,000 feet?
I've read your many posts with the awareness that you are a shill. Commercial aircraft have been photographed releasing chemical traces hundreds of times. In my opinion, ALL aircraft present an environmental hazard and should be permanently grounded.
Nope. I know Paul quite well having read his posts for many years at geoengineeringwatch.org. I can tell you with complete assurance, neither he nor I want what you're insinuating by your use of a semantic trick of false logic and false dichotomy. We DO want the spraying, AND THE LYING ABOUT IT, stopped.
Do you not understand, "Troll Hunter", that you cannot fly at high altitude without leaving persistent trails on certain days? There are schemes in place to try and reduce formation of contrails, but you can never stop it entirely without grounding all flights, because there will always be ISSRs up there.
On certain days!? Please stop the nonsense. It is happening every single day multiple times per day where I live.
These are not commercial aircrafts. Commercial aviation go to a particular destination. These “contrail” forming jets are not going anywhere. They are there to form the cross crossing patterns of “spray”.
I live under some incredibly busy skies in southern England. Some days the sky is criss-crossed with a "tic tac toe" grid of contrails, I have seen and photographed more than 30 trails crossing the sky at once.
Other days, like today, I see not a single one - and I can predict that ahead of time simply by looking at a skew-T forecast. How is that possible if they are "spraying" something?
"They are there to form the cross crossing patterns of “spray”'?? Do you realise how daft that is? You can identify every plane leaving a trail using a simple flight tracker app, in seconds. It amazes me that apps like FlightRadar24 haven't killed the chemtrail nonsense stone dead. People just don't want to use the apps and see that they are wrong, I guess.
The immediate leaving of contrails or not is irrelevant ultimately. Countless metallic nanoparticles are emitted as combustion ash into the atmosphere. If there is enough water to nucleate upon them, they will form contrails and contrail-cirrus. If there isn't, they will then hang around for days or more until water does become available and THEN form aviation-induced cirrus. It's the perpetually replenished background over-seeding of the upper atmosphere that is crucial. Persistent contrails, contrail cirrus and aviation induced cirrus will always cause net-warming over 1 day-night cycle because they persist for over a day, hence the name. This effect is more pronounced the further pole-ward the trails occur, to winter and to night. They are predominant from the mid-latitudes to the pole. Not random at all. Most certainly warming. This was even recognized in 1966.
“Satellite and balloon measurements show that the presence of cirrus clouds in the upper troposphere near the tropopause strongly reduces the heat loss of the atmosphere by infrared radiation. Thus, a cirrus cloud cover over warm northward-moving tropical air will prevent it from cooling as rapidly as does southward-moving cooler air, which has no cirrus cover.” P61
“It is interesting that this phenomenon has the basic ingredients of a possible control mechanism, i.e. a small amount of cloud, such as a vapor trail, released at the optimum altitude, has a large influence, will last a long time, or may even grow.” P 61
The report also referred to the proposals of the prominent Russian scientist, Mikhail Budyko to remove the Arctic ice.
“Budyko, 1962, concludes that if this ice cover were removed, the central Arctic might enjoy summer temperatures of +10 °C to +20 °C and winter temperatures of +5 °C to + 10°C, which obviously would imply decisive changes in the climate of Northern Siberia and Canada.” P 61
“Weather and Climate Modification Problems and Prospects”.
Modern turbofan jet engines produce virtually NO water vapor. Some commercial jets are also being fitted with spray nozzles to deliver coal fly ash to act as some kind of "solar radiation management," be ause, after all, dimming sunlight is The Answer to global warming but we can't call it that any longer because it'll frighten the horses you know ;-).
You are correct and thanks. Jet engines do emit some water vapor. My point was that what people see in the sky is due to atmospheric conditions and the water vapor that is already there. The jet exhaust is pretty constant, the atmosphere isn't, and that confuses people.
Correct - and while the water vapour from the engine is important in "tipping the balance" above 100% humidity and triggering the initial contrail formation, virtually all of the water that makes up the mature persistent contrail actually comes from the surrounding air, as you say.
A fairly modest 30-minute-old contrail was measured to contain about 30kg of ice per linear metre (Knollenberg 1972) which equates to over 50 tons per linear mile.
Given the payload capacity of a 747 is about 128 tons, a fully loaded jumbo jet could only hold enough material to make about two and a half miles of "chemtrail" of that size if it wasn't water.
Of course they emit no water vapor. They emit hot exhaust gasses that condense the water vapor that is already there. The relative humidity determines whether you see it or not.
Not true - they do emit water vapour, as burning jet fuel (which is a hydrocarbon) necessarily produces a great deal of water: in fact a greater mass of water than the mass of fuel being burnt, since the combustion adds the mass of oxygen from the air.
Approximately, one pound of Jet-A produces 1.24 pounds of water and 3.15 pounds of carbon dioxide. If the engine were 100% clean burning and the fuel was 100% pure hydrocarbon, then water and CO₂ would be the only products (and you would still get contrails!)
I live in the Panhandle of Texas. I watched with my Father the spaying of Huge thunderstorms coming in from New Mexico just completely fall apart almost exactly in the state line. We desperately needed the rain then and now Well it is devastating. the stroms they killed back then were 60,000 to 80,000 ft high. lots of rain in them. now what we see are 15,000 to maybe 35,000. All of the talk about climate change is due to the government destroying it.
The irony is that many of those who shout loudest about "chemtrails" claim that they are a recent phenomenon. I first came across the chemtrail theory in the 1990s and people said they were new then. With ore digging, I found people in the 1970s were saying they were new then. And back in the 1950s there were people complaining about them - but not ascribing anything nefarious to them, just moaning about them blocking out the sun. And of course they were "new" then, to most people...
Thanks for this work man! I’ve written how this is the greatest threat in our time! I’m curious to check out the document to see WHY they even spray it — but glad it’s out there.
Well, to me "spraying" suggests intent, and it seems you have written it that way quite deliberately as a dogwhistle to the sort of people who believe in the chemtrail theory.
There is no difference in what comes out of a jet exhaust on days with persistent contrails as there is on days with none. Jet exhaust is jet exhaust. When conditions allow, it will create persistent contrails.
It looks like too many people are starting to notice and the psychos have to come up with talking points as to why a perfectly sunny day becomes laden with spray, then gray. They are controlling the narrative: nothing to see here, just some water vapor.
Which, is bullshit, of course.
And we cannot let them control the narrative to “contrails”. I no longer let a single climate change lunatic off with a warning, they get the full monty now: you CANNOT talk about climate CHANGE without addressing climate ENGINEERING. Then they get schooled, and I always have geoengineeringwatch.org awareness materials on me. People are starting to wake up, and they are getting pissed, hence, this “explanation” of “contrails”
Except, uh oh, there is too much to the contrary, and we are being poisoned in real time:
Thank you Jon When we charge one pilot, just one, with a crime against humanity. JUST ONE MR TRUMP the problem will cease. It is worth paying a whistle blower millions for the data to convict just one pilot and then watch the rats come out of the woodpile.
They did NOT ADMIT adding chemicals for the purpose of geoengineering to jet fuel / exhaust. They said it was inherent in jet fuel and jet engine design.
Which is a lie. Jet fuel with no needless additives leaves almost no 'trail' - which is made mostly of water vapor, hence the term 'contrail', short for 'condensation trail', because the water vapor condenses as it cools coming out of the engine.
Airline mechanics, several pilots, and one engineer with training in jet propulsion have all explained this to me in no uncertain terms.
Anyone who paid attention and was around 30 years ago can attest to the true contrails that disappeared within seconds.
Attorney shares FOIAs proving the federal gov't has been engaging in geoengineeering, aka 'solar radiation mitigation', and allowing corporations to, as well. Note also the LOW LEVEL spraying over residential areas via drones, and preparations to spray 'vaccines'.
And on top of that, modern turbofan jet engines produce virtually NO water vapor, also found at geoengineeringwatch.org. These commentary sections are the new battleground in the fight for The Truth!! Start spot fires of awareness!!
So what happens to the fuel if it does not turn into water plus CO₂? Can you provide the reaction? Or do you think planes run on compressed air these days? That seems to be a popular theory on the socials these days!
No, that is not true. Contrails have been observed persisting ever since planes first reached high enough altitudes to form them, at the end of World War 1.
As a report from as long ago as May 1919 describes "the generation of a cloud stream that extended for about forty miles behind his plane. This stream eventually spread out to form a cloud layer that was about 3,000 feet thick". That from a single plane over Berlin at 26,000 feet!
All that is needed is the water, not any additives. Even a pure hydrogen fuelled engine would create contrails, as it produces water! There are more than enough condensation nuclei in the exhaust for clouds to form.
Does nobody here remember the advent of catalytic converters and the removal of lead from gasoline ? If those things had not happened we would still be sitting under black clouds of car exhaust. Yeah, we are still sitting under clouds of airplane and jet exhaust. But people will not consider practical steps to address that, and just want to go on about secret government spraying programs instead.
I would like someone to tell me where I can send the so-called dust, supposedly blowing across mid US from Texas through Oklahoma and Kansas, probably further, on 03/14/2025. This is the silkiest and prettiest dark,tannish brown, “dirt”/dust I have ever seen. I want to have it analyzed. I have spent most of my life in Kansas and we have horrible wind at times. I have seen dirt devils and dust in certain areas, and dust lifted from ground, but never had fine dust dropping down on every surface like this. I want a trustworthy source, not associated with the government to test it and tell me how to send it.
"what they describe in this document is functionally the same thing people like me have been reporting on for years"
So finally you admit that what you have been calling "chemtrails" are actually persistent jet contrails?
Well, that's a start, because for 25 years plus, chemtrailers have been swearing blind that contrails don't persist in the sky!
Now here is a report about contrails, which as we have known for getting on for 100 years CAN and DO persist in the sky, and you try to frame it as some kind of "admission", rather than yet more evidence that you were wrong? That's some quite impressive mental athleticism, Jon.
They have been admitting these things for years. Few have paid attention. That is all. I am convinced they vastly underestimate the global forcing from aviation induced cirrus however. There are other documents that few pay attention to. Here's one.
“Satellite and balloon measurements show that the presence of cirrus clouds in the upper troposphere near the tropopause strongly reduces the heat loss of the atmosphere by infrared radiation. Thus, a cirrus cloud cover over warm northward-moving tropical air will prevent it from cooling as rapidly as does southward-moving cooler air, which has no cirrus cover.” P61
“It is interesting that this phenomenon has the basic ingredients of a possible control mechanism, i.e. a small amount of cloud, such as a vapor trail, released at the optimum altitude, has a large influence, will last a long time, or may even grow.” P 61
The report also referred to the proposals of the prominent Russian scientist, Mikhail Budyko to remove the Arctic ice.
“Budyko, 1962, concludes that if this ice cover were removed, the central Arctic might enjoy summer temperatures of +10 °C to +20 °C and winter temperatures of +5 °C to + 10°C, which obviously would imply decisive changes in the climate of Northern Siberia and Canada.” P 61
“Weather and Climate Modification Problems and Prospects”.
Does nobody here remember the advent of catalytic converters and the removal of lead from gasoline ? If those things had not happened we would still be sitting under black clouds of car exhaust. Yeah, we are still sitting under clouds of airplane and jet exhaust. But people will not consider practical steps to address that, and just want to go on about secret government spraying programs instead.
DOES EVERYONE HERE UNDERSTAND THAT THE MASSIVE TONNAGE OF NANOPARTICULATE ALUMINUM YOU'RE BEING FORCED TO BREATHE 24/7/365 IS KILLING YOUR OSTEOBLASTS (BONE BUILDING CELLS) AND CONTRIBUTING TO OSTEOPORISIS? YOUR IDIOT "DOCTOR" SURE AS HELL DOESN'T KNOW THAT.
MAHA needs to make themselves useful and get these things outlawed federally, until then it matters not if a few states outlaw them. The spraying travels through the air and knows no borders.
How do you propose that MAHA "outlaw" the laws of physics?
Physics or purposeful contamination?
Physics. Read the report.
The only way to stop contrails is to change the laws of physics, or stop planes powered by fuel containing hydrogen atoms from flying at high altitude.
How does that explain the aluminum, barium, nano-particles, etc. being dropped on us? And that is chemtrails not contrails, aka geoengineering. Blaming "contrails" for what is in the air is a red herring.
What “aluminum, barium and nano-particles”? So many people parrot those claims but there is absolutely no evidence for any such thing. All we ever see is lab tests of soil and rainwater showing perfectly normal and minuscule quantities of natural minerals.
Where are the samples directly from a supposed “chemtrail”.
I’ll type this slowly in case it is not clear: “chemtrails” are simply a misidentification of persistent jet contrails. I will debate anyone who claims this is not the case.
Can you please explain why this “persistent contrail” phenomenon has been intensifying dramatically in the past couple of years?
Why do we see “persistent contrails “ crisscrossing our skies every single day, formed by high flying jets that are not going anywhere. Just leisurely “painting our sky from blue to Aluminum grey?
Surely the law of physics has not changed during this period of time.
Dane Wigington and others have run lab tests on soil and water and emissions that contained the exact things shown in their geoengineering patents. He has cited these things in his reports and it is obvious the skies are not normal anymore, one would have to be blind not to see it. Here is his latest video confirming what I have stated here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJrAHt8sri0
Weather as a Weapon of “WAR”
Weather was enhanced to destroy Humanity, lands & life -
Treason by stealth
By: LT ROBERT POWELL
Be blessed everyone, and pause to ponder the recent past actions, by our Leadership
in so many activities. Today I do not desire chat. This must be exposed to so many
who simply cannot wrap their heads around the Government being at WAR with we the
owners. Helene is just one example, of the silent war against humanity that has
transpired for years. Now, LA, and Environmental-ISM as the tool to “15 Minute Cities”.
Some historical quotes to gain proper understanding of Orwells Theory of Doublespeak
& Doublethink concerning the deception in Climate political language. Orwell noted:
Doublespeak: language that deliberately obscures, disguises, distorts, or reverses the
meaning of words. ( author ) this is major element of Socio-communissm.
Doublethink: is to know and to not know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness
while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which
cancel out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use
logic against logic.
Quote: “The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to
unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water
shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human
intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be
overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.” — Club of Rome.
Quote: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change
provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”-
Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment.
Quote: “The data doesn’t matter. We’re not basing our recommendations on the data.
We’re basing them on the climate models” Prof. - Chris Folland, Hadley Centre for
Climate Prediction and Research.
Quote: “Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced
resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.” ( Read Eugenics ) -
Professor Maurice King —Director of the UN Rio Accord-
Quote: “the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but
less than one billion.” - Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind.
Quote: “Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class -
involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and
suburban housing - are not sustainable.” - Maurice Strong, 1992 Rio Earth Summit. Mr.
Strong was a Brundtland Commission senior member.
Now that the stakes are clear, this peer reviewed, and published Document has the
necessary elements to confront this UN “Humanist” and soulless assault if elevated in
the educational platforms over the pseudo-science of the paid “Elite” like WEF, WHO.
SO WITHOUT FURTHER DISCUSSION: The DOC:
Advances in Social Sciences Research Journal
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Vol. 9, No. 8 Publication Date: August
25, 2022 DOI:10.14738/assrj.98.12935.
Herndon, J. M., & Whiteside, M. (2022).
Collapse of Earth’s Biosphere: A Case of Planetary Treason.
Advances in Social Sciences Research Journal, 9(8). 259-281.
Collapse of Earth’s Biosphere: A Case of Planetary Treason
J. Marvin Herndon
Transdyne Corporation, San Diego, CA 92131 USA
Mark Whiteside
Florida Department of Health, Key West, FL 33040 USA
ABSTRACT
Earth’s life support systems are breaking down, including the stratospheric
ozone layer, which protects all higher life on the planet from deadly
ultraviolet radiation. This breakdown is a direct result of human activities
including the large-scale manipulation of processes that affect Earth’s
climate, otherwise known as geoengineering. We present further evidence
that coal fly ash, utilized in tropospheric aerosol geoengineering, is the
primary cause of stratospheric ozone depletion, not chlorofluorocarbons,
as “decreed” by the Montreal Protocol. The misdiagnosis was a potentially
fatal mistake by mankind. Coal fly ash particles, uplifted to the
stratosphere, are collected and trapped by polar stratospheric clouds. In
springtime, as these clouds begin to melt/evaporate, multiple coal fly ash
compounds and elements are released to react with and consume
stratospheric ozone. Contrary to the prevailing narrative, the stratospheric
ozone layer has already been badly damaged and now increasingly deadly
ultraviolet radiation, UV- B and UV-C, penetrates to Earth’s surface. Our
time is short to permanently end all geoengineering activities, and to
reduce and/or eliminate all sources of aerosolized coal fly ash, including
first and foremost the jet-sprayed emplacements into the troposphere that
are systematically breaking down Earth’s support systems and poisoning
life on this planet. in simple words:
DELIBERATE COLLAPSE OF EARTH’S BIOSPHERE
The information above provides the data to find, print or link to others.
From: Oregon's "Slavery" Gazette!
Appreciate the set of references, most seldom seen elsewhere. Thanks for sharing them.
Quote: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
- Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment.
By this, it is meant that the globalist technocrats will control essentially everything and live lavishly, while everyone el se remaining will be equally impoverished.
Quote: “The data doesn’t matter. We’re not basing our recommendations on the data. We’re basing them on the climate models”.
- Prof. Chris Folland, Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research.
'THE MAP IS NOT THE TERRITORY' - and the 'climate model' is not reality.
Computer models rely on the data fed to them. 'Garbage in - garbage out.'
An example of the 'garbage' being plugged into computer climate models includes the weather data stations near buildings, pavement etc that create 'heat islands', and the made-up temperature 'data' from hundreds of 'ghost' weather data collection stations:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/hidden-behind-climate-policies-data-from-nonexistent-temperature-stations-5622782
Those, and other issues with what is being passed off as 'climate science":
https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/prominent-scientists-challenge-key-data-underlying-climate-change-agenda-5593800ea_src=author_manual&ea_med=related_stories
Fly ash from burning coal injected high into the atmosphere is damaging - as is the aluminum and various chemical compounds being sprayed into our air. But CO2 in the air is essential for Life on Earth.
One tipoff:
Cows (why do they single out cows, and leave out heifers, calves, bulls and steers?) are supposedly harming the planet - but the carbon emitted by crickets isn't, because the carbon emitted by masses of insects raised in artificial settings is somehow "natural" while carbon emitted by cattle grazing on pastures, or eating harvested pasture along with some seeds, is somehow "unnatural". ???
Herndon and Whiteside are quacks and based all their "research" on a lie made up by The HAARP Report on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6r0GqbH9Os&list=PLfN7m5OaSZKTvdJKrKLYhX-8ZE9vZttuL&index=2
Herndon and Whiteside tried to attack me after I appeared on Del Bigtree's The Highwire:
http://www.nuclearplanet.com/lee.pdf
https://journals.scholarpublishing.org/index.php/ASSRJ/article/view/17019
The problem with their argument is that this paper is personal, not factual.
They literally said this:
"One further observation is necessary: If chemtrail-producing particulates are being added to aircraft fuel, as alleged above, why are chemtrails not being observed during takeoffs and landings? The answer appears to be related to atmospheric optical depth or thickness."
Because they are contrails, and contrails don't form below 20,000 feet!
This proves that the nuclear physicist knows nothing about atmospheric science or cloud formation.
Steady on Jim. What happened to "remember, attack ideas, not people."? They seem to be attacking your ideas in that paper, not you personally. "Like any other expert’s
allegations, the veracity of Lee’s statements should be subject to question, and, if found
deficient, should be corrected." You make some good points but this undermined by such abusive language.
After reading the report, you are saying the chemical applications do not exist?
Their questioning of your statements is appropriate, as in science there is no consensus - Their questions, with the physically viable testing poses a relevant question - The news fan engines literally produce little atmospheric heat gathering
processes, unlike WW2 bombers for example.
The question would seem to be, are you a proponent of arial weather manipulation?
Having been an airline pilot for 33 years, I can verify that commercial jets can be directed to fly at altitudes that will either leave contrails, or not. Depending on the time of day, doing this can either result in surface warming or cooling. At present, this specific control of commercial airliners is not being done, so the effects we get on the surface are completely random, but are there. There are no switches in the cockpit to turn contrails on or off. The appearance of them turning on or off is due to the condition of the air masses they fly through. Directing commercial jet aircraft to fly at specific altitudes or over specific geographical areas will have huge impacts on costs for the airlines, so there will be significant pushbacks. It is also possible to inject hygroscopic chemicals behind jet aircraft to prohibit contrail formation, but now we’re injecting harmful chemicals with environmental and physiological impacts that could be worse than random weather modification. https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/look-up-in-the-sky?utm_source=publication-search
The planes I see aren’t commercial airliners, they are drone looking, likely military things. They look white from the ground, and blend into the skies, except for the deliberate trail of crap sprayed behind them. They all look the same, are difficult to spot on the days where hundreds of them are not criss crossing the skies at the same time, and are made to NOT be noticed. Their patterns are predictable and spraying happens heavily right before “severe weather changes”. They fly at altitudes that commercial airliners used to fly, but now, they fly lower (dangerously so) to accommodate these other things. If you watch them long enough (and I have), you’ll know damn well that the only reason these military ghost things are in the skies is to spread poison.
The “contrails” narrative isn’t going to work. There is too much actual data now.
Why has nobody ever got a photo of one of these mystery planes, when plane spotters regularly take photos detailed enough to read the tail numbers of planes at 35,000 feet?
I've read your many posts with the awareness that you are a shill. Commercial aircraft have been photographed releasing chemical traces hundreds of times. In my opinion, ALL aircraft present an environmental hazard and should be permanently grounded.
You're playing right into their hands. They want you in 15 minute smart cities, no travel for you. That's what you want?
Nope. I know Paul quite well having read his posts for many years at geoengineeringwatch.org. I can tell you with complete assurance, neither he nor I want what you're insinuating by your use of a semantic trick of false logic and false dichotomy. We DO want the spraying, AND THE LYING ABOUT IT, stopped.
Do you not understand, "Troll Hunter", that you cannot fly at high altitude without leaving persistent trails on certain days? There are schemes in place to try and reduce formation of contrails, but you can never stop it entirely without grounding all flights, because there will always be ISSRs up there.
On certain days!? Please stop the nonsense. It is happening every single day multiple times per day where I live.
These are not commercial aircrafts. Commercial aviation go to a particular destination. These “contrail” forming jets are not going anywhere. They are there to form the cross crossing patterns of “spray”.
I live under some incredibly busy skies in southern England. Some days the sky is criss-crossed with a "tic tac toe" grid of contrails, I have seen and photographed more than 30 trails crossing the sky at once.
Other days, like today, I see not a single one - and I can predict that ahead of time simply by looking at a skew-T forecast. How is that possible if they are "spraying" something?
"They are there to form the cross crossing patterns of “spray”'?? Do you realise how daft that is? You can identify every plane leaving a trail using a simple flight tracker app, in seconds. It amazes me that apps like FlightRadar24 haven't killed the chemtrail nonsense stone dead. People just don't want to use the apps and see that they are wrong, I guess.
The immediate leaving of contrails or not is irrelevant ultimately. Countless metallic nanoparticles are emitted as combustion ash into the atmosphere. If there is enough water to nucleate upon them, they will form contrails and contrail-cirrus. If there isn't, they will then hang around for days or more until water does become available and THEN form aviation-induced cirrus. It's the perpetually replenished background over-seeding of the upper atmosphere that is crucial. Persistent contrails, contrail cirrus and aviation induced cirrus will always cause net-warming over 1 day-night cycle because they persist for over a day, hence the name. This effect is more pronounced the further pole-ward the trails occur, to winter and to night. They are predominant from the mid-latitudes to the pole. Not random at all. Most certainly warming. This was even recognized in 1966.
“Satellite and balloon measurements show that the presence of cirrus clouds in the upper troposphere near the tropopause strongly reduces the heat loss of the atmosphere by infrared radiation. Thus, a cirrus cloud cover over warm northward-moving tropical air will prevent it from cooling as rapidly as does southward-moving cooler air, which has no cirrus cover.” P61
“It is interesting that this phenomenon has the basic ingredients of a possible control mechanism, i.e. a small amount of cloud, such as a vapor trail, released at the optimum altitude, has a large influence, will last a long time, or may even grow.” P 61
The report also referred to the proposals of the prominent Russian scientist, Mikhail Budyko to remove the Arctic ice.
“Budyko, 1962, concludes that if this ice cover were removed, the central Arctic might enjoy summer temperatures of +10 °C to +20 °C and winter temperatures of +5 °C to + 10°C, which obviously would imply decisive changes in the climate of Northern Siberia and Canada.” P 61
“Weather and Climate Modification Problems and Prospects”.
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/21330/chapter/4#61
Modern turbofan jet engines produce virtually NO water vapor. Some commercial jets are also being fitted with spray nozzles to deliver coal fly ash to act as some kind of "solar radiation management," be ause, after all, dimming sunlight is The Answer to global warming but we can't call it that any longer because it'll frighten the horses you know ;-).
"Modern turbofan jet engines produce virtually NO water vapor."?
What do you mean by that? Modern jet engines still burn jet fuel, and when you burn one pound of jet fuel you produce about 1.24 pounds of water!
You are correct and thanks. Jet engines do emit some water vapor. My point was that what people see in the sky is due to atmospheric conditions and the water vapor that is already there. The jet exhaust is pretty constant, the atmosphere isn't, and that confuses people.
Correct - and while the water vapour from the engine is important in "tipping the balance" above 100% humidity and triggering the initial contrail formation, virtually all of the water that makes up the mature persistent contrail actually comes from the surrounding air, as you say.
A fairly modest 30-minute-old contrail was measured to contain about 30kg of ice per linear metre (Knollenberg 1972) which equates to over 50 tons per linear mile.
Given the payload capacity of a 747 is about 128 tons, a fully loaded jumbo jet could only hold enough material to make about two and a half miles of "chemtrail" of that size if it wasn't water.
The maths simply doesn't math.
Of course they emit no water vapor. They emit hot exhaust gasses that condense the water vapor that is already there. The relative humidity determines whether you see it or not.
Not true - they do emit water vapour, as burning jet fuel (which is a hydrocarbon) necessarily produces a great deal of water: in fact a greater mass of water than the mass of fuel being burnt, since the combustion adds the mass of oxygen from the air.
Approximately, one pound of Jet-A produces 1.24 pounds of water and 3.15 pounds of carbon dioxide. If the engine were 100% clean burning and the fuel was 100% pure hydrocarbon, then water and CO₂ would be the only products (and you would still get contrails!)
I live in the Panhandle of Texas. I watched with my Father the spaying of Huge thunderstorms coming in from New Mexico just completely fall apart almost exactly in the state line. We desperately needed the rain then and now Well it is devastating. the stroms they killed back then were 60,000 to 80,000 ft high. lots of rain in them. now what we see are 15,000 to maybe 35,000. All of the talk about climate change is due to the government destroying it.
I have been yelling this for 50 years
The irony is that many of those who shout loudest about "chemtrails" claim that they are a recent phenomenon. I first came across the chemtrail theory in the 1990s and people said they were new then. With ore digging, I found people in the 1970s were saying they were new then. And back in the 1950s there were people complaining about them - but not ascribing anything nefarious to them, just moaning about them blocking out the sun. And of course they were "new" then, to most people...
Thanks for this work man! I’ve written how this is the greatest threat in our time! I’m curious to check out the document to see WHY they even spray it — but glad it’s out there.
Here’s why chemtrails need to be stopped: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/there-is-no-greater-threat-than-chemtrails
Did you check out the document? If you did you will see that there is no mention of any spraying. It is talking about contrails.
I used the word ‘spray’ the way the dictionary defines it.
Well, to me "spraying" suggests intent, and it seems you have written it that way quite deliberately as a dogwhistle to the sort of people who believe in the chemtrail theory.
There is no difference in what comes out of a jet exhaust on days with persistent contrails as there is on days with none. Jet exhaust is jet exhaust. When conditions allow, it will create persistent contrails.
It looks like too many people are starting to notice and the psychos have to come up with talking points as to why a perfectly sunny day becomes laden with spray, then gray. They are controlling the narrative: nothing to see here, just some water vapor.
Which, is bullshit, of course.
And we cannot let them control the narrative to “contrails”. I no longer let a single climate change lunatic off with a warning, they get the full monty now: you CANNOT talk about climate CHANGE without addressing climate ENGINEERING. Then they get schooled, and I always have geoengineeringwatch.org awareness materials on me. People are starting to wake up, and they are getting pissed, hence, this “explanation” of “contrails”
Except, uh oh, there is too much to the contrary, and we are being poisoned in real time:
https://noairholes.com/2023/06/21/a-document-of-arrogance-and-deadly-ignorance/
But the explanation is not anything new. Persistent contrails have been understood and discussed for well over half a century.
Thank you Jon When we charge one pilot, just one, with a crime against humanity. JUST ONE MR TRUMP the problem will cease. It is worth paying a whistle blower millions for the data to convict just one pilot and then watch the rats come out of the woodpile.
www.watersheddebacle.ca fight these council commies.
They did NOT ADMIT adding chemicals for the purpose of geoengineering to jet fuel / exhaust. They said it was inherent in jet fuel and jet engine design.
Which is a lie. Jet fuel with no needless additives leaves almost no 'trail' - which is made mostly of water vapor, hence the term 'contrail', short for 'condensation trail', because the water vapor condenses as it cools coming out of the engine.
Airline mechanics, several pilots, and one engineer with training in jet propulsion have all explained this to me in no uncertain terms.
Anyone who paid attention and was around 30 years ago can attest to the true contrails that disappeared within seconds.
Documentation: https://GeoengineeringWatch.org
Attorney shares FOIAs proving the federal gov't has been engaging in geoengineeering, aka 'solar radiation mitigation', and allowing corporations to, as well. Note also the LOW LEVEL spraying over residential areas via drones, and preparations to spray 'vaccines'.
https://rumble.com/v6ag33s-icans-investigation-into-geoengineering-military-spraying-and-self-spreadin.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
And on top of that, modern turbofan jet engines produce virtually NO water vapor, also found at geoengineeringwatch.org. These commentary sections are the new battleground in the fight for The Truth!! Start spot fires of awareness!!
So what happens to the fuel if it does not turn into water plus CO₂? Can you provide the reaction? Or do you think planes run on compressed air these days? That seems to be a popular theory on the socials these days!
No, that is not true. Contrails have been observed persisting ever since planes first reached high enough altitudes to form them, at the end of World War 1.
As a report from as long ago as May 1919 describes "the generation of a cloud stream that extended for about forty miles behind his plane. This stream eventually spread out to form a cloud layer that was about 3,000 feet thick". That from a single plane over Berlin at 26,000 feet!
All that is needed is the water, not any additives. Even a pure hydrogen fuelled engine would create contrails, as it produces water! There are more than enough condensation nuclei in the exhaust for clouds to form.
Thank you Lloyd!
Does nobody here remember the advent of catalytic converters and the removal of lead from gasoline ? If those things had not happened we would still be sitting under black clouds of car exhaust. Yeah, we are still sitting under clouds of airplane and jet exhaust. But people will not consider practical steps to address that, and just want to go on about secret government spraying programs instead.
Stop the Chem trails. Now!!!
I would like someone to tell me where I can send the so-called dust, supposedly blowing across mid US from Texas through Oklahoma and Kansas, probably further, on 03/14/2025. This is the silkiest and prettiest dark,tannish brown, “dirt”/dust I have ever seen. I want to have it analyzed. I have spent most of my life in Kansas and we have horrible wind at times. I have seen dirt devils and dust in certain areas, and dust lifted from ground, but never had fine dust dropping down on every surface like this. I want a trustworthy source, not associated with the government to test it and tell me how to send it.
No Chemtrials!!!!
"what they describe in this document is functionally the same thing people like me have been reporting on for years"
So finally you admit that what you have been calling "chemtrails" are actually persistent jet contrails?
Well, that's a start, because for 25 years plus, chemtrailers have been swearing blind that contrails don't persist in the sky!
Now here is a report about contrails, which as we have known for getting on for 100 years CAN and DO persist in the sky, and you try to frame it as some kind of "admission", rather than yet more evidence that you were wrong? That's some quite impressive mental athleticism, Jon.
They have been admitting these things for years. Few have paid attention. That is all. I am convinced they vastly underestimate the global forcing from aviation induced cirrus however. There are other documents that few pay attention to. Here's one.
“Satellite and balloon measurements show that the presence of cirrus clouds in the upper troposphere near the tropopause strongly reduces the heat loss of the atmosphere by infrared radiation. Thus, a cirrus cloud cover over warm northward-moving tropical air will prevent it from cooling as rapidly as does southward-moving cooler air, which has no cirrus cover.” P61
“It is interesting that this phenomenon has the basic ingredients of a possible control mechanism, i.e. a small amount of cloud, such as a vapor trail, released at the optimum altitude, has a large influence, will last a long time, or may even grow.” P 61
The report also referred to the proposals of the prominent Russian scientist, Mikhail Budyko to remove the Arctic ice.
“Budyko, 1962, concludes that if this ice cover were removed, the central Arctic might enjoy summer temperatures of +10 °C to +20 °C and winter temperatures of +5 °C to + 10°C, which obviously would imply decisive changes in the climate of Northern Siberia and Canada.” P 61
“Weather and Climate Modification Problems and Prospects”.
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/21330/chapter/4#61
Does nobody here remember the advent of catalytic converters and the removal of lead from gasoline ? If those things had not happened we would still be sitting under black clouds of car exhaust. Yeah, we are still sitting under clouds of airplane and jet exhaust. But people will not consider practical steps to address that, and just want to go on about secret government spraying programs instead.
DOES EVERYONE HERE UNDERSTAND THAT THE MASSIVE TONNAGE OF NANOPARTICULATE ALUMINUM YOU'RE BEING FORCED TO BREATHE 24/7/365 IS KILLING YOUR OSTEOBLASTS (BONE BUILDING CELLS) AND CONTRIBUTING TO OSTEOPORISIS? YOUR IDIOT "DOCTOR" SURE AS HELL DOESN'T KNOW THAT.